Originally Posted by m2w
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/


Not that many Nigerians in Calabria.
Catania and Castel Volturno is a different story. They're around, but they stick to pimping and retail level drug dealing. No use in believing the sensationalist newspapers. Give it 5-10 years and Nigerian crime in Italy will barely be a point of conversation anymore.

it depends on the politicians, the right wind ones (berlusconi, salvini etc.) love to blame some immigrant group to get more votes and the media tends to overrate them or even invent something, for example the murder of that girl has absolutely nothing to do with nigerian organized crime, they probably never carried out a single murder in italy... most serious info about them come from DIA reports that have not any interest to overrate anybody, in the DIA report you find over 350 pages about italian organized crime groups and only 5 about nigerians (10 about foreign gangs as a whole), that's thre real picture and threats of organized crime in italy


Exactly. The official statistics always show a completely different story than newspapers and political propaganda shows.

When I take for instance the organized crime statistics of Belgium it shows that about 8% of the active criminal organizations have ties to Italy, 6% have ties to the Netherlands, 5% have ties to Morocco, 5% have ties to Albania and Kosovo, 4% have ties to Turkey...Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Nigeria, Colombia, Serbia/Montenegro, Bosnia, China/HK/Taiwan, UK, Ireland, France, Lebanon, Greece, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Japan, Pakistan...barely get to about 1% each (some maybe 2%).

Moroccans and Turks mostly have a dual citizenship so a Moroccan criminal in for instance Antwerp is registered as "Moroccan"

About half of the registered organized crime cases detected are still indigenous Belgians. And Belgium isn't a country that's known for having an established homegrown underworld. Granted, most of these criminals are barely noticeable because the majority of them isn't involved in blue collar crime, but rather the white collar stuff.

Still if you were to believe the news articles the Moroccans and Albanians control about 80% of Belgium's cocaine trade, despite the fact that it's largely the retail side of the business they're involved in. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of Moroccans in Antwerp that are big enough as mid-level traffickers and mid-level traffickers sit on a lot of drugs and make plenty of money - but they're not the ones allowing the stuff to pass through the docks.