Hi JCrusher, Great posts! Above you have Tommy Ocera listed as pre fall 1989. Not only is Tommy referred to as being a made man in reports and books from the 1970's (Vicious Circles is one), but also in FBI reports from and intercepted wiretap conversation between Gregory Depalma and Tommy from June,1977 already have him listed as being made. Aside from this, his history goes way back. He was childhood friends with Sally D Ambrosino and Freddy Red Delucia, ran the gang with them and, later in the 1960's, were suspected by Joe Colombo of forming a coup to take over the family. Since Sally D and Freddy were already made before 58, I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy was as well. At the latest it was prior to the phone call with Depalma.