somehow the persico still have the power of the colombo family all 70 or 80 members thats my guess as for nummbers. this guy on staten island who just got his whole crew indicted for stalking his girlfriend said it when they were going to carmines wake. oh my point is vic orena and his kids where shelved out the colombo family for trying to takeover and i doubt any persicos are forgiving them thats probaly why michael is feeling safe to say shit about orena sr. there all shelved even thou his doing life. hes still in tons of photos with guys from other families so i think its just a colombo thing