to stair the thread back to mike franzese recent interviews i feel like thats the first time ive ever heard him speak about vic orena and how he didnt like him. funny mike forgets vic orena was still on good terms with carmine persico to about 1990 and with gottis backing started to fell his oats. michael was already a rat and testified in front of a grand jury around 88/89 he conveintly leaves out. he had no say or his father in the colombo war between those guys in 1991 to 93. scarpa took credit it for it all and got allie boy jr a not guilty in 94. saying he started it all cause orena slighted him or some shit