you have to clarify the question. is it like some guy who never knew about the mafia and somehow joins in his later life? im gonna assume all these guys know about it since they were kids. some just dont become inducted members for one reason or another till there 50 or 60, there that old guy in springfield mass hes been waiting to be inducted into the genovese since the 70tys and he was on tape saying he always goes back to jail before it could happen hes like 70ty now/ its like the guys life mission