yes mighty dr your rite on point. theres tapes of him and tony ducks shooting the shit like buddys at a bar except there 70tys yr old life long mobsters. and when the guys from buffalo new york went to fat tony and hes telling them the big boys from new york said no shooting war. think buffalo was fighting to crown a new boss. or the cleveland family asking him to induct new soldiers. he was respected across the usa. he seemed like a money maker not a violent guy like chin. throwing guys to death off buildings ect