Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by BlackFamily
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
When it comes to the USA, I've come across bigger and more serious busts regarding the Outlaws than the Hells Angels tbh.

Even in that fairly recent Indiana bust with Frank Wheeler, the crimes were reasonably diversified: narcotics, extortion, gambling, fraud, fencing...
During that "Cocaine Cowboy" era the Outlaws were moving tons and tons of dope from Central Florida and all over the South. Under Taco Bowman they must've made lots of money as well.

Could the area they operate in have something to do with this? In the USA the Outlaws seem to hold quite a bit of sway in the somewhat poorer and more rural parts of the South and the Midwest. Whereas the Hells Angels in the USA are based in the, by now, slightly more cosmopolitan parts where there might be less of a "gunslinger" thinking going on.

In terms of OMCG stuff I haven't come across more insane stories anywhere than those of the Hells Angels in Quebec (especially from the 70's to the 90's) or those of the Outlaws in the South during the 80's and 90's. Sure you can find biker stuff that's happening in other parts of the world, but rarely upper tier criminal activities coupled with violence on that scale.


The USA being birthplace of the 1% Clubs will have more competition & more independent clubs. It's quite geographically as well; H.A started in the West therefore majority of their membership and/or influence is in that region, Outlaws is to the Midwest, Bandidos is to the South, & Pagans the East Coast. Now there's overlapping of course but I'm speaking in general membership base. I've never seen a H.A in my state.

Hells Angels was largest at some point in the past but the Outlaws or Bandidos been the largest since the 90s in the States. Violence still goes on but it seems to be certain chapters.

The Black/Mixed 1% Clubs are the least talked about despite being just as large as any of the " Big 4/5 Clubs" and highly based in metropolitan cities. So far only the Wheels Of Soul been hit with Rico Act. The info from that case shed groundbreaking light on their size, activities, & rivalry ( which possibly still ongoing). The WOS is around half the membership of the H.A.


Hells Angels, Outlaws and Bandidos are probably talked about the most because these clubs were the ones that expanded all over the world whereas for instance Pagans or Wheels of Soul remained a purely American thing.

The "Mafia on wheels" reputation of the Hells Angels seems to come from their exploits in Canada (and to some extent Europe) moreso than from their activity in the USA. In the USA, even during the Barger heydays, they always seemed to be a bunch of toughs, but an organized criminal enterprise? It's kinda doubtful - barring some exceptions of course.
In Canada on the other hand, there seem to be entire chapters dedicated to organized crime.

The Outlaws, even though not nearly as big and powerful as the HA in Canada and Europe, seem to be more of a mob-like organization in the USA than the HA are. Especially when we take everything from the 90's onwards in consideration.

Bandidos in Europe aren't really a stable club. They seem to pop up every now and then to piss off the HA, but they're quick to disappear from the limelight. They seem to be huge in Texas though.


Bandidos started in Texas. There's an OC element in most of these clubs in the USA. Just move differently due to circumstances.


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