sal vitale testified rustelli inducted him into the family april 1984. so im guessing the commission aproved a few guy for there family when he got out a few months earlier. im guessing phil had a longer run on the street then carmine ever had from oct 1983 till oct 1986 rusty was indicted 2times but made bail. carmine i dont think had more then 2 yrs on the street as official boss. in middle 1981 carmine plead guilty to bribing a fake fbi irs agent he took 5 yrs hoping he would be paroled quickly theres a good ny times article on this. him and his lawyer frank lopez disputed he was the boss or even in organized crime. that must be the first time a boss plead guilty. his dumb ass should have seen the writting on the wall in 1985 86 during the colombo trial had the whole 12 or so of them do what they do today a global plea then he wouldnt have got 30 yrs jerry lang 65. they probaly would have dropped them of the commission indictment cause when you plead guilty you give up your appeals