herbert pate is interesting. ive read he was lent from the genovese family to the luchese to do the bomb. he has to be releated to colombo capo and allie boys best friend john pate who eventually flipped in 1994ish then played crazy went into the wpp and got busted scammimg people down in florida a few years back. both pates where from bk/staten island and into lcn shit also about the same age.