Ciminelli worked with known organized crime figures. So when I said; "And there’s no doubt the Ciminelli family has connections to the mob as do most construction bigwigs from the 1990s" I was right. He has connections to the mob in that he did business in the construction industry with known organized crime figures who committed crimes within the construction industry.
"Mobbed up" was the wrong terminology, but there is absolutely no doubt that he had connections with the mob.


Whether willingly or unwillingly, he had connections to organized crime. In the '91 indictment, it says this:
"The plaintiffs allege that organized crime controls the defendant Laborers' International Union of North America Local #210 located in Buffalo, New York ("Local 210"). The plaintiffs further allege that Local 210 and organized crime control the Pension Fund."

So Ciminelli's improper use of pension funds was, based on the indictment, done under the control of the Buffalo Mafia. That makes him more than just a contractor connected to organized crime, it makes him a participant in organized crime.

Ciminelli, a trustee in Local 210's pension fund, was charged in a criminal complaint with improper use of pension funds alongside prominent organized crime figures, most of whom were also trustees. This complaint was directly based around organized crime's "control (of) the Pension Fund."


No there isn't.
Saying that a union trustee, who was charged in a racketeering criminal complaint alongside powerful Buffalo Mafia figures, is connected to organized crime figures is a helluva lot different than trying to directly contradict all available reputable evidence regarding a crime family.


Here's the thing Nickle. You have no evidence of that whatsoever. You have also never been proven right in any of your unsubstantiated street talk. People have been lying on internet forums about the Mafia since the forums began in the 1990s. Whose to say you're any different. None of us know who you are whatsoever and you have no track record to go on.
So sure, hearing about BiFulco getting respect at a funeral would really help your point. But for all I know, that is complete B.S.



There is factual evidence that Ciminelli was under the control of the Buffalo Mafia. That is because there is evidence that Local 210's Pension Fund was under the control of the Mafia, and Ciminelli was a trustee on the pension fund. There is also evidence that Ciminelli was associated with the Buffalo Mafia because he was charged in a racketeering complaint with the Buffalo Mafia, meaning that he was committing crimes in furtherance of an ongoing criminal organization - from the complaint, this ongoing criminal organization was the "Buffalo organized crime syndicate."

That is why the allegation can be made that Ciminelli is mobbed-up. He committed crimes on behalf of the Buffalo Mafia.


Compare this to the allegation that the Buffalo Mafia, in 2018, is still an active crime family. There have been multiple law enforcement statements that the Buffalo Mafia is no longer active. This is coming from the very people dedicated to fighting organized crime. These are not just from one law enforcement agency, either. This claim has been echoed by district attorneys, federal prosecutors, etc. This claim has also been backed up by dedicated organized crime reporters - in particular, Buffalo and Niagara Falls reporters who have regularly reported on the Buffalo Mob for years.
There have been no law enforcement officers or journalists that have said Louis Ciminelli is completely free from organized crime ties. In fact, law enforcement has charged Ciminelli with aiding the racketeering conspiracy (i.e. the Buffalo Mafia).
It shouldn't be hard to see the difference here Nickle.

Now comes the common sense angle. My argument is that Ciminelli was connected to organized crime and "mobbed up." As I said before, mobbed-up may not have been the best term because it's too colloquial and you decided to hang onto it in order to make your point. Also the definition for "mobbed-up" varies. "Connections to organized crime" is a lot easier to explain. Louis Ciminelli did illegal business in furtherance of a Buffalo Mafia-controlled racketeering conspiracy. That makes him a) "connected to organized crime" and b) "mobbed up" by my definition. Even though nobody has specifically come out and said "Louis Ciminelli is an organized crime figure or associate," common sense says that yes, he had extensive connections to the Buffalo Mafia because he did illegal business under the illegally-controlled union with organized crime figures.

Meanwhile, common sense says that the Buffalo Mafia is not active. This is because, in the 21st century, no known active family has been able to avoid indictments. For Buffalo to be active, it would have to break the mold, despite the fact that those with no current connection to the family (funeral directors, Ron Fino, The Rooster, NickleCity) know of it's illegal activities or have observed classic Mafia functions. Secondly, if the Buffalo Mafia was active, than law enforcement, especially the FBI's Organized Crime Branch in Buffalo, would be open, active, and ready to go after it as opposed to denying it for no reason. As well as this, organized crime reporters would want to report on the Buffalo Mafia if it was active since it's their full-time job and their bread and butter. The fact that they are saying the family is not active is indicative that the family is indeed not active.