Originally Posted by 2a
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
@2a

Traditionally yes, but as of recent years the poverty rate of Germany has increased to the point that it has eclipsed the Netherlands'. I think the poverty rate in Germany is about 15% nowadays, which is more than the one of for instance Albania.

In Germany it seems to be that a lot of people from a foreign background are living below the poverty line, even though honestly I don't know how accurate this is. For instance you got extended Lebanese families with thousands of members of which the majority are reportedly living in extreme poverty (and many of them admittedly do live in small bedroom-sized apartments somewhere in a Berlin or NRW working class neighborhood) while actually those dudes have a truckload of money.

It's the same with the Netherlands. Any "kamper" is registered as "poor", despite the fact that some of them are able to wipe clean their ass with €500 banknotes if they want to. You got Moroccan or Curaçaoan guys living in council flats despite the fact that they are actually filthy rich.

It's all hard to tell sometimes.


Yup that often seems to be the case the world over , especially when it comes to criminals ...

I hope I'm not tiring you with all these questions , but are there any good English language books about the Dutch underworld that you'd recommend ? There seems to be a dearth of said material , which is why I'm asking .

Anyways thanks again for all the information .


No problem! I live in a Dutch border region so I've seen all types of stuff happening haha.

I don't really know about any English language books about the Dutch underworld tbh. There's a few works in Dutch, though it's mostly based upon the "big name" underworld figures.