I agree pmac , west side def had no problem with grasso out of pic... regarding Darin being made in mid 2000s , I’m not disputing it, just wondering where u ma have saw it...I would have guessed earlier... Steven been made along time, before he got pinched lates 90s, I assumed Darin and he would have got around same time, possibly the brothersntoo?..mike, the rosettes their cousin Gillis, Darin, devlin etal were franks muscle early 90s, formidable crew no doubt, and have a graveyard between them..they pushed too hard, and they found or better yet created enemies that ended up having balls like them, the amount of bloodshed in that little time frame is and underrated underworld battle