Originally Posted by Irishman12
So the NRA and right wing media are responsible for Parkland?


I said culpable, which means they share some blame. How could anyone argue against this? The NRA is now a far right propaganda machine that spreads outrageous conspiracy theories. Many mass shooters, including Nikolas Cruz, were influenced by the hard right propaganda that the NRA helps spread.

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when a drunk driver kills someone, we blame the driver.


This is because a car serves multiple purposes. A gun kills, and nothing else.

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When a terrorist kills someone, we blame the terrorist.


Where have you been since 9/11? FoxNews makes a living blaming liberals for terrorism.

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So then why when a mass shooting happens, like Parkland or Las Vegas, we blame the tool used and not the shooter? It's such a double standard and just the liberal media pushing forward their anti-gun agenda.


This is an example of some of the NRA propaganda I was talking about. People like Nikolas Cruz believed this.

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Some gun reform is taking place actually. States and stores are raising the minimum age limit from 18 to 21 (Wal-Mart). Some stores are even refusing to carry assault-style weapons (Dick's Sporting Goods).


Thanks to activism and boycotts. No thanks to the gun lobby itself, which is still fighting tooth and nail to overturn these measures.

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The problem with gun control is it's a slippery slope.


Gun control isn't the problem. Mass shootings are.

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if we decide to ban AR-15's, then where does it stop?


You're putting the burden on those who want to ban assault weapons, and not those who seek them for whatever reason. The problem is not the people who want to ban these insanely violent weapons, it's the people who want them.

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If the next mass shooter


Now, you finally see what the problem is. You seem to know this is a problem. You're intimating there will be another mass shooting soon.

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uses a shotgun or pistol, then do we ban those as well?


We'll discuss that when they do. In the meantime, the AR-15 seems to be the weapon of choice.

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The founding fathers put the second amendment in place for private citizens to protect themselves, against anyone (criminals or their own government).


They also put Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness in the Declaration of Independence. How could citizens pursue happiness when they have crazy neighbors walking around with assault weapons?

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I don't trust my own government to not enslave us further


You're not a slave.

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Look over the course of history for every country, not just the USA, who have placed a ban upon gun ownership,


There are actually several countries with more gun control than us where the average citizen has a better quality of life than they do here.

This has to be one of the biggest lies spread by right wing propagandists like the NRA, that banning assault weapons results in tyranny. It's having them that will eventually result in it.

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Only the law abiding citizens will be the ones to get squeezed (with more gun control).


If this is true, then it would seem that the problem is with law enforcement.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea