Rooster. When you respond to my posts, can you please use the "quote" button so you can break down everything I've said and I know exactly what you're responding to?

No need, if you cant follow, thats on you. But Ill do you this favor once.


If that was the case, you wouldn't have so much difficulty answering them.

No, difficulty. Ive answered plenty as Ive said many, many times.


ROOSTER. I understand the apples and oranges concept. For the 100th time.
My question was, and STILL IS, why do you continue to bring up LoScalzo and D'Elia even when we are on a completely different subject? That is my one question. Please, for the love of god, stop dodging it!

Im not dodging anything. I bring it up because you think its relative to Buffalo when its not. Again, apples and oranges.

Also, what does it matter whether LoScalzo is the "boss" or the "former boss." Why did you bring it up in the first place? These are all things I fail to understand.

Because it shows your inability to understand 2018 even if I were to allow credence to your comparison with Buffalo

Here's what the LoScalzo argument in this thread has been:
We're arguing about Buffalo. You decide to bring up a comment from a whole other thread and say "By the way Nicky, how is LoScalzo the boss in 06 if you said the family was defunct by 07? What was he the boss of?"
Even though that comment had nothing to do with this thread, I answered it anyways. I explained that a person can hold the boss title in name alone - I gave William D'Elia as an example, and of clear proof that this is an accepted fact across the Mafia. Then you argued with me. You argued with something that is literally common knowledge. You argued that even though D'Elia was boss in name alone after his family was defunct, that simply wasn't the case with LoScalzo. I have no clue why you decided to argue this. You are from Buffalo. You have never claimed to have any knowledge about Tampa. Yet, for some reason, you decided to argue with me over something that has literally been proven right in another city, with another Mafia family.
Then, somewhere along the line, you got confused and decided to say "Well, the D'Elia thing isn't the case with Buffalo, it's apples and oranges."
First of all, the argument over whether LoScalzo should be called a "boss" or a "former boss" has nothing to do with Buffalo, yet you tried to make it so. Second of all, WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER??? It's just terminology. It's not set in stone. Who cares if he is the "boss" of a defunct family or a "former boss" of a defunct family? The family is defunct. It doesn't fucking matter.

It matters because its irrelevant to Buffalo but youve tried to use it as evidence for Buffalo many, many times.

THAT is my question. I don't care whether LoScalzo or D'Elia are incomparable to Buffalo. That is an argument we can have later, since it isn't really relevant. My question is why, oh why, do you keep making wisecracks about LoScalzo and D'Elia in subjects and conversations that have nothing to do with him. I could say that I prefer red wine to white and you'd bring up D'Elia somehow. That's why I ask.



Ah, here we go. I shouldn't even bother proving you wrong, since when you're proven wrong you have a tendency to ignore it entirely and pretend it never happened.
But here is you, in 2016, explaining where your "intel" comes from:

So yeah. Either you were lying in 2016, or you're lying now, or you just conveniently forgot who your sources are...
And the reason I say "dozens of beat cops" is because the amount of street talk on the Buffalo mob you provide is enormous. So either you've got dozens of cops that you know, or it's just a couple of guys that are, for some reason, the biggest OC experts in the Buffalo region and know more than the FBI, state cops, DAs, federal prosecutors, longtime OC investigative journalists, mob informers, and Ron Fino....
Stick to one story Rooster.

So now it must be dozens because you say so? Thats your theory? Means nothing, just exaggerating babble.

Ah, here we go nothing. You said dozens when I used the words many and used the word bulk when I used many. You are misleading people in hopes you can uncover subtle nonissues to try and discredit.


Here's the difference between me and you, Roost. I can actually cite sources. I can actually cite references. I can actually link articles which explicitly describe the Buffalo mob's demise. Such articles offer statements from FBI, DAs, federal prosecutors, longtime investigative journalists, mob experts, Ron Fino, and more.

Ive cited your sources as exaggerating, contradictory, and misleading. So theres no difference other than the overall interpretation of the sources. Which everyones been over several times.

You, on the other hand, can't offer anything apart from uncorroborated and unverified statements about a family which police say have been defunct for the 15 years. The only people that back your story up are an exposed, proven, admitted liar named Giacomo Vacari, and another poster who seems to believe the family is in kahoots with the FBI and the FBI is protecting them in the unions. Nothing against you NickleCity, but Rooster said he doesn't agree with this analysis at all.

You can choose not to believe, thats fine. Weve been over this dozens of times. And when I use that word Im not lying.

Not really though. The unions were gone, loansharking was drying up, illegal gambling was drying up. Etc. The article describes IN DETAIL how the Buffalo mob's rackets were falling apart.
So yes, comparatively, the Buffalo mob was penniless by 1998 when you compare it to what they were making just a decade prior. Such a huge dip in income is hard to describe.

Just untrue and nothing YOU would know anyway. The unions werent gone, the casinos hadnt opened yet here and Nicoletti was still in control of all gambling, per your beloved law enforcement agencies.

And if Coppola is a "provoceateur not a writer," what does that make you considering you argued that the name "Todaro crime family" wasn't in use before 2017.

I definitely dont claim to be a journalist like he does so im not required to be held to an actually industry standard. He has a lot more responsibility than I do.



So, because I joined this forum in 2017, I'm somehow unqualified to know anything about the Buffalo mob? Why is it so odd that I'm a "hard-driven expert", as you put it?
And let's not forget the hypocrisy here. You joined the forum in 2016 and immediately jumped into the Buffalo thread. It was such a quick creation of an account that people were, fairly so, assuming you were an alias of Giacomo Vacari's. And somehow, because I joined the forum a year later, I'm not allowed to know anything about the mob?

Not unqualified, just tardy or invigorated because your narrative doesnt fit and it pissed you off enough one day to finally start writing.

And please, explain to me how the cut-off date for Buffalo mob discussions was 2016? Because I'm apparently "two years late," meaning nobody is allowed to discuss the Buffalo mob past 2016? Who made that rule? Why didn't I get the memo?

You couldnt even merge the thread to Buffalo thread, so yes, late and still not on the actual thread. But you got your way to stay on the Bufalino thread.


Rooster. Who is more likely to make "mistakes, either on accident or purpose"?

Random internet posters with no validity or verification
OR
Federal authorities, who have among the highest convictions rates in the US and who get it right a solid 95% of the time.
District attorneys, whose job it is to make cases in and around Buffalo using evidence that is obtained through all different forms of police.
Federal prosecutors, who make cases at the federal level.
Longtime residents of Buffalo, who have been in and around the city for years.
Mob informants, who - despite not being involved in the life for many years - know the inner workings of the crime family and how it operates.
Longtime investigative organized crime journalists, whose job it is to report on organized crime in and around the Buffalo area.
Mob experts, with proven sources across the nation.

Riddle me this.

And thats your right to believe their theory over mine. As we said many, many times.


Notice how your little clique of Buffalo believers have all but abandoned this thread? It's probably because of retarded comments like that.

I'm insidious because I called you out on your bullshit?

No bullshit, youve achieved nothing.


If you ever wonder why I keep arguing, just look at the subtle jabs you've continued to make just as the argument is beginning to close. Like when Bensonhurst commented on another thread and you made a jab at me.

Its relative, because people speculate on this forum all the time about status and members of Mafia and what they donor dont do. So its fitting that you police ever conversation and everything that is said about every family and every member to make sure you have hard evidence that proves everyone is " hobest" when they quote.


I guess you'll have to do a survey on the streets of Buffalo to find out that true answer.
And by the way, organized crime is almost definitely still active in the city of Buffalo, as well as every major city in the US. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't. But I don't think the Todaro crime family has any stake in the game.