Originally Posted by NickleCity
Originally Posted by NickyfromTampa

Fifth question:
You said that the existence of the mob in Buffalo is not a secret, and people know what they do. Then why would the area's two leading news stations consistently report, complete with backed up sources, that the family is defunct. Why would acclaimed mob experts and journalists be trying to cover up the existence of this family?
Sixth question:
You said that the articles I posted could be easily misinterpreted. How in the hell do you misinterpret: "The Mafia is all but dead in Western New York. So what killed it?" with comments in the article such as ""“Most of the men who were responsible for the mob murders in Buffalo are dead,” he said. “The hit men who committed the murders are dead." "And no young people have emerged to replace them, Coppola said."" and """Today, both Cohen and Coppola estimate that there are no more than a handful of surviving mob members in the area, with no viable organization to unite them, and no leader."""
There is no ambiguity in these statements and no room for misinterpretation. These articles I posted explicitly state the Mafia is dead in Buffalo and Western NY.


Actually the Herbeck contradicts himself: "Herbeck in a March 2017 article quotes Fino as stating: "Joe Todaro Jr. moved on from the mob many years ago," and that "...there are a few remnants of the mob that still exist in Buffalo,...but it’s not the same.”--Mob in WNY Dead-March 2017 However, in a 2012 articles has Fino saying mob influence was never fully cleaned up from local 210-because the Capitano Brothers are back in control--The FBI's Inside Guy--Fino 2012 So Fino doesn't say the Mob in buffalo is dead... As a matter of fact in his 2012 book he writes"
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Leonard Falzone: Enforcer for the Todaro Family. Some say he is the current boss but I believe it is Joe Todaro Sr. and that Leonard is fronting for him.---Fino, Ronald; Michael Rizzo. Covert Operations: The Triangle Exit: The True Story of a Secret Undercover Operative for the FBI and CIA (Organized Crime) (Kindle Locations 5104-5106). Contento De Semrik. Kindle Edition.



Good find NickleCity. I think in 2012, Mike Hudson also wondered who was going to take over following Todaro Sr.'s death, but conceded that there wasn't much left to take over and he wondered who the hell would want the job. So it seems that in 2012, the media wasn't sure what to think of the Todaro crime family. Fino included. But by 2017 these same reporters, backed up by LE, prosecutors, etc., as well as Fino, declared the family as dead.
1997: Buffalo reporters note this year as the time when the Canadian faction died. "Dead as charity," according to Mike Hudson.
1998: Reporters and feds conceded the Buffalo mob was withering away, almost dead.
2012: Reporters weren't sure about the mob's state, although conceded there wasn't much left. Fino (who publically flipped in 1989), speculated on who he believed was in charge. The feds didn't have much to say.
2017: Reporters, Fino, law enforcement, prosecutors and mob experts conceded the Buffalo mob was dead.

Originally Posted by NickleCity

Additionally Nicky, in a previous post you say Peter Capitano Jr. isn't the Peter Capitano Ron refers to in the Buffalo News article I mentioned above, he refers to Peter Sr... But you are wrong. Fino writes:

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Peter Capitano Jr.: Strong associate of Joe Todaro Jr. and Victor Sansanese. Came from the Pizza gang and was placed into his leadership role by the Todaros. At first fought the takeover of Local 210 Laborers Union International. Today, now that he is back in the leadership states it was a good idea.--Fino, Ronald; Michael Rizzo. Covert Operations: The Triangle Exit: The True Story of a Secret Undercover Operative for the FBI and CIA (Organized Crime) (Kindle Locations 5071-5073). Contento De Semrik. Kindle Edition.


He writes this about Peter's brother Sam:

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Samuel Capitano: Brother of Peter and a member of the Pizza Gang; a confident of Joseph Todaro Jr.--Fino, Ronald; Michael Rizzo. Covert Operations: The Triangle Exit: The True Story of a Secret Undercover Operative for the FBI and CIA (Organized Crime) (Kindle Locations 5074-5075). Contento De Semrik. Kindle Edition.

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It can't be the same Sam Capitano. The current Local 210 Sam Capitano is 47, meaning that he was a teenager when Ron Fino went into hiding after flipping.
The Peter Capitano that was an enforcer for Joe Todaro Jr. and Victor Sansanese died in 2017. That Peter Capitano was booted out of the unions in the 1990s. Today's Peter Capitano is 51, meaning he would have been 22 when Fino flipped. Believe me, at that age Peter Capitano, 22, was not in any sort of leadership role per the Todaros. This means that Fino has his wires crossed, and is probably referring to Peter's father, Peter Sr., who definitely was an associate of Todaro Jr. and probably Sansanese, although was kicked out of the union in the 90s and never came back.

Originally Posted by NickleCity

To me it is obvious that Herbeck has contradicted himself and forgot about his 2012 article with Fino when he wrote the March article about the Buffalo Mob being dead. Also, do you find it strange that Herbeck's March article is basically the same as Lee Copolla's from 1998? If "The Arm" was withered and dead in '98.... why is it new that is dead in 2017. Here is the link to Copolla's article: Lee Copolla's Article "Whithered Hand--1998"
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The 2012 article never states the Buffalo Mafia is still active, or is still making money, or still has control over the unions. The only indication of that is when Fino, "while admitting he has no direct information about current wrongdoing in the local, Fino said he is skeptical of the Justice Department's claims that mob influences were totally removed from Local 210 and the Laborers international." He points to Sam Capitano as an example, but Sam was 18 when Fino became a rat, so all knowledge of Sam Capitano comes from when Sam was in high school.

Fino could not have any information past 1989. Although his knowledge of the family's workings before then is still very useful today, and he's a great expert on this sort of stuff, he's not as much of an expert post-1989 as Retired FBI Special Agent John "Jack" McDonnell, who worked for the FBI from 2000-2006, when the feds declared the unions in Buffalo to be mob free. Here's what McDonnell said:
"I know that Ron Fino supplied interesting and accurate information about how unions worked and how organized crime infiltrated Local 210," McDonnell said. "As for Sam Capitano, he was a very active, very vocal union guy who did fight against the takeover. He's an old-style, combative guy, but I have no information that he is involved with the mob."

Also, I find the 98 and 2017 articles to be pretty different, aside from the fact that they both talk about the Buffalo mob's demise. Remember that in 1998, nobody was saying the Buffalo mob was actually dead, just that it was in the process of dying.

[quote=NickleCity]
And if, as Fino writes, there was a front boss for the family in the late 2000's/2010's their is an organized administration in Buffalo, even if they do share power with the Canadian factions. Or I will even give you that the Canadian factions has the power now..., but Buffalo is still active.

That is speculation on Fino's part. Fino does not know whether the family is active or inactive post-1989, but those were Fino's thoughts on who the administration would be if the family were still active.