Great interview. Laughed when he talked about the water bags. At a state prison I was at that was a constant game with co’s. Make bags and stuff them in shirt and tie the sleeves and bottom. Get a workout in and then drain it. Get caught every now and then but whatever. Shit we’d do pull-ups from anything we could get on, steel beams, anything. Two tables close together = dip station. You’d be amazed how big some guys get like that.