Yes, lets wait for the Violi trial. I know things because I hear things, I am going by what I hear and what I believe to be factual, not simply journalists stories that you believe to be gospel and waiting on FBI to lie to the general public anyway so they can look like organized crime eradicating heroes to us. You really dont think law enforcement is keeping tabs on these guys, they still want to put Bifulco away for life for a bunch of old murders. You dont think that if a beat cop tells someone that then its probably the truth? Its not a secret organization, all of these guys have friends and hang arounds that talk, people in the community know who these guys are and what they do.
If it's really not a secret organization, and the community knows about then why hasn't the news picked up on it. According to you, everyone in the community as well as law enforcement knows about this not-so-secret society, and whose in charge, etc., but for some reason the area's leading newsmen have been declaring it dead? Something doesn't add up there.
Originally Posted by The_Rooster
There is younger guys that are definitely made like Feliciano and Cardinale. I already told you , the Cohen bust in 10 and the Wilson bust Giacomi just brought up, and not every bust has to have a high profile member attached to be considered an actual bust. Made members dont have to be charged in order to have benefitted from a crime/scam.
I've tried googling this Cohen bust and have come up with nothing. Also I have seen nothing which indicates Michael Wilson was involved with the Mafia, either now or in the past. If you have any sort of evidence to back up the claim that Wilson is a mob associate or something similar, I'd love to hear it.
Originally Posted by The_Rooster
The bust in '17 was a Buffalo bust no matter how you want to interpret the story. There still is union corruption at both the 210 and 91, and I believe at the grocers union ,there is still a huge book, there is still loans, there is still backdoor deals, fencing, etc., etc. and tribute is paid. They are not a huge priority for local law enforcement because they do not kill anymore and they are organized and quasi legit.
Wait a minute. They are still involved in union corruption, a huge book, loansharking, backdoor feals, fencing, etc..... but they are quasi-legit? Hmm. If the group was involved in this many illegal activities, then they would still be prominent on law enforcement's radar. And there would be busts.
Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Buffalo/Niagara has a lot of other iss3ues to deal with like gangs, opiod epidemic, drug, gun, and sex trafficking through the borders. Like you said, this is a forum, Im just giving my input but to continually have to drive my points home and be considered a liar because a news article that is ridiculous and is a form of entertainment in itself contradicts my story is a waste of time. Detroit is active and very insulated, theres not a bust every couple of years, and some people claim that KC is active. The Mafia today is a different Mafia, its weakened obviously and Buffalo is probably the weakest, but it exists.
I am not using that news article as the basis of my story that the Mafia is dead. I am just poking holes in your image of what the Buffalo mafia is. If you respond to the points I have made, then this forum can be a better place and we can gauge your reliability.
Originally Posted by The_Rooster
Another bust we can reference is the rich guy from Rochester who owned those restaurants and got caught with the huge book and hit with money laundering....can someone help me on that one? Also, in the early 2010s, 2 reputed younger soldiers from Rochester got caught with drugs and guns in Ithaca. It was online at one point.
Can you provide any sort of news item whatsoever on the arrest of 2 Rochester soldiers? Even if the article doesn't reference their mob ties, there would be something in the news - a drug and gun bust usually is. Also, what were their names? Surely, if they were soldiers, the feds and press would have jumped on that? Given that mob ties make a case a lot stronger and if the feds can prove a mob organization is still active they can guarantee more funding from Washington? And wouldn't the local media love to hear about a bust with mob ties?
Any links whatsoever to these arrests would be okay.
