again , you missed it, i said i was not trying to change your mind or anyone else, on this topic nobody can change my mind, I'm always relaxed JC thats why i come on here to relax even further. any more relaxed my wife will have to take my pulse and see if im alive..just trying to give input, like with coffey, i gave you some insight as to what he was like and were he hung out acting a fool with the rich and impressionable. and yes i did see him there several times..im old and have a few bucks