if john was in a good mood and liked you, he would build you up in front of everyone, if his balls were twisted he reveled in abusing you in front of everyone, lets say at a table with john and 10 guys, he would do all the talking, very few guys would chime in. nobody wanted to make a mistake, frank lo is a mans man, only problem he had was not being strong enough with john, i mean not aggresive,but more assertive , like you said listen to the tapes,