Originally Posted By: Stubbs
Originally Posted By: Tonytough
Ok who earned their power without their father/ relatives

Michael Franzese? He was put into the life thanks to Sonny but Sonny was away and Mike started making waves

Ahh how did we forget- Bill Bonanno comes to mind. His father wanted him as consigliere which caused the Banana split thanks to Gaspar


Michael Franzese took over his father's crew when he went away, or at least started initially getting involved because his father was away. No way he wouldve survived that long if Sonny wasn't so powerful under Persico.

Ironically, one could make an argument that Carlo Gambino and Joe Bonanno were powerful because of their families. They were both from mafia royalty in Sicily, so they immediately had respect when they came to the states.

John Gotti is someone who had no family connections and rose in power simply due to brute force and his charisma. Horrible boss, but he still got powerful on his own. Carmine Persico was the same way, from a middle class family with no mob ties if I remember correctly.

Like George A said: "Never make a poor man the boss." Maybe that's why Gambino and Bonanno were so respected for so long, because they already came from mafia backgrounds, had decent money, and weren't petty street thugs. Then again, it didnt help Castellano in the longrun.

Michael Franzese was a incredible earner so that definetly helps rise your stature in the mob. Yes his father definetly helped BUT his father also never went out of his way to help him when he needed it. Franzese told a story about how the bosses were suspicious that he wasn't kicking enough of his earnings and was becoming too powerful and Sonny basically didn't lift a finger to help his son.


Carlo and Joe had ties but basically just to get their foot in the door. Both were very smart and obviously had long reigns and didn't end up in jail or murdered so they were successful.

John Gotti was basically a moron who was lucky that neil Dellacroce had some kind of liking to him and helped him rise through the ranks.(which was probably neil's biggest mistake in his mob career} Also lets not pretend Gotti took over by himself. Without Gravano and Decicco Gotti wouldn't have even gotten close to being boss.