Victor and john were tony's older bros. the only one in the family that wasnt a gangster was pat. Victor had a long criminal career including the murder of Helen Brach. John was part of tonys crew in vegas for a bit. Lombardo was alteady in jail by '86 and could do niothing to save them. If he was out at the time its quite possible he would have been flattened also for allowing the mess in vegas.