I was originally asking what he meant by Licata being in hot water (not Joe Grande). I agree that Joe Grande is, or at least was, in fact in hot water hence why he was sent up to Newark to be under the supervision of Licata and his Crew. But I never was aware of Joe Licata being in any sort of trouble or "in hot water". Joe Grande's situation for being on thin ice with the Philly Admin/Ligambi/Merlino and the reason for him being sent up to Newark doesn't have to do with Wayne Grande ratting in jail. Instead, it's for his continued allegiance to Scarfo Sr even up until the point of being released a few years ago (he was released around 2012 I believe), which is why Scarfo Jr went as far as to reach out to him during his short lived attempted coup (attempted takeover where he reached out to Joe Chang Jr who is retired and crippled as well) of the Philly Family. Joe Pung always disliked the Grande brothers because of their scheming and backstabbing and gossiping behavior especially Wayne Grande, but Joe Grande as well. As a result of this continuous beef between Joe Pung and The Grande's, Joe Pung was quick to point out to Ligambi before he and Joe Grande were released from prison around the same time (~2012) that Joe Grande was still in fact loyal to the Scarfos and still kept regular dialog with both Scarfo Sr and Jr and furthermore informed Ligambi that Joe Grande still recognized Scarfo Sr as the Boss of Philly instead of Ligambi/Merlino. As another sign of loyalty to the current Admin (Ligambi/Merlino), Joe Pung went as far as actually reaching out to Ligambi towards the end of his prison stretch for permission to kill Joe Grande upon them both being released from prison. As mentioned earlier in this post, Pung knows how to play LCN politics. He hates the Grande's because he knows they were one of the main sources of chatter and gossip in Scarfo's ear when they (Chucky, etc) were busting on Salvie Testa leading up to him being killed because the Grande's wanted to move up and move-in on Salvie's rackets. Wayne Grande especially would be an asshole to Joe Pung about it and give Joe Pung shit about him setting up his best friend Salvie despite Joe Pung clearly not having a choice (he apparently would go into Joe Pung's bar on 15th & Wolf and put on the song "That's what friends are for" on the jukebox while Joe Pung was there just to be a prick. Leonetti also mentioned in his book how Wayne and Joe Grande were spreading lies about Joe Pung and even doing shit like whispering in people's ears while looking at Pung giving the impression that they and who ever they were whispering to were talking about Joe Pung. Little girl shit. As a side note, one of the reasons Wayne Grande didn't like Joe Pung besides sheer jealously, which he was a very jealous guy apparently, was because Wayne Grande felt slighted by Joe Pung when Wayne went away for a year or so on a contempt charge and he claimed that Joe Pung wasn't giving any or enough money to his wife/family to support themselves while he was away (they were partners in a bookmaking operation). So anyways, with all that baggage and ill will towards each other, Joe Pung swore to Leonetti that he'd have it out for the Grande's upon them getting out of jail. So as mentioned, Joe Pung being a master of LCN politics, killed two birds with one stone by seeking his revenge on Joe Grande (Wayne was already a rat at this point just leaving Joe Grande to deal with) while also proving his loyalty to the new Admin (Ligambi/Merlino) by saying "hey I support you and I'm on board with the new Admin, but Joe Grande is a Scarfo loyalist and will be a problem for you. I think we should just kill him". It ended with Ligambi acknowledging Pung's request, but stopping short of killing him and instead sending him to the Newark Crew at the suggestion to Joe Licata who stepped up for Joe Grande and asked Ligambi to give Grande a chance and send him to Newark where he could get Grande on board with the new Admin while keeping an eye on him in the Newark crew. So far it seems to be working as I haven't heard anything since all this came out to say otherwise. The details of all this with Joe Pung-Grande beef and Licata sticking up for Grande and having him sent up to Newark can be found in the Lou Fizzini Detention Memo from the last big RICO trial. I will find it again and post the link as it's a very interesting read and has a lot of good stuff in it, which anyone who is interested in Philly should read. It also lays out most of the stuff I'm talking about in this post. Sorry for the long post though!

^^^^^^ Right on Phi-Mob ^^^^^^

There is more to it and why he was behind Nicksr. being boss , there are or will be , some recordings or court transcripts ,that are or will be coming out "that a few of the families were behind Nick being boss up until (2010) possibly more or less,and it's possible we will find out that a few of the attempts on Skinny and others will be clarified finally. Also the attempted murders of the top three in Philly was a branch of this.

There are some that thought that the Philly administration would have been taken down or out and were quietly standing behind the old administration, and I believe that if not for the total collapse of the commission in and after all this it would of happened.

And I know that quite a few guys in Philly were waiting for this to go down , guys that just would not do it them selfs. And there is a possibility that they were away for some of it or most of it. But not everyone is content with the boss .

And if not for many of the old guys in N.Y. passing away and others doing life and are just not powerful at all any longer things may have been different.

There is always a chance that the Philly administration knows this and has been working at it for a very long time as per Skinny getting close with the Luke's and Amuso losing power.

We will find out , someone will flip and write a book .