But Gets, that's one of the points of my post. Despite the millennia during which these nations have existed, they've made no progress toward recognizing the proper relationship between those who govern and those that are governed. Such was the case of Japan. From feuding lords to emperors to Shoguns then back to emperors then to some faux democracy under the Meiji system then to the imperialist system and eventually the Tojo government. Finally democracy takes hold but only after it is forced on Japan.