i know, joeys guys are the a great example of standing up. i respect them to the fullest. you cant count natale as a joey guy...nor scafidi as a joey guy, only flipped because he bet the wrong horse so i agree there..and vella, is a weeks equivalent...the other dopes are all dopes..on both sides..luisi is a piece of shit, always has been, joey fell asleep on that one, as did guys up here fall asleep on rosetti, too many rats..too many dope addicts in boston in the 90s time frame...