Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
@Ivey

Seriously, how many times I gotta agree with you before you stop arguing about nothing?


We have had this convo before, you said NY was very competitive as far as narcotics, I said only at the street retail level. At the top it's a Colombian or a Mexican if you are in the US, and the ONLY place you will run into a Colombian, or Colombian proxy (Dominicans) is NY, and the Northeast. Why are you repeating literally my whole point, acting like I never said it?


There can be a number of wholesale levels between the the initial supply and retail levels.


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And don't go and get silly on me. The Mexicans got thrown outta Spain years ago. Sinaloa is operational in Europe. They have been moving heavy narcotics since the early 90s maybe late 80s at least. You really believe they couldn't get drugs to NY because it's too far? Lol, Ivey you are talking about a truck, nothing more. ( watch Traffic, especially the part where he mentions NAFTA )They have the BORDER, coke comes into Chicago and goes EVERYWHERE. Carrillo was the " Lord of the Skies" way back when, they can't get coke to NY? Cause it's too far? Yet the whole reason they got big is that the COLOMBIANS could no longer reliably get coke through the Caribbean route, and trusted the Mexicans to get coke into the country. You don't seem to get that their WHOLE STRENGHT WAS BASED OFF TRANSPORTATION.


You can go back and read law enforcement reports for the past 20 years. Which, by the way, is a better way to get an understanding of things than theorizing and pontificating or talking with posters on Internet forums. Generally speaking, earlier on it was the Mexicans in the western half of the country and the Colombians in the eastern half. As you go forward, year after year, you see a gradual movement eastward by Mexicans. It wasn't that long ago that they were only beginning to have a significant presence on the east coast. At first, it was more the lower half of the eastern seaboard, getting to the point where they were the dominant suppliers everywhere except Southern Florida where they were rivaled by the Colombians. You then see a move northward on the coast, and on the last few years they had become the top suppliers as far north as Philadelphia and South Jersey. Yet, even now, they don't have the same dominance in the rest of the Northeast like they do throughout the rest of the US. What else is the reason if not distance and competition?

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Im the one who told you before you can't control a city Like NY on the street level, it's too many corners/distribution points to try to control. Only ethnic enclaves like the old Italian Harlem where Ormento operated, as well as Pleaseant Ave. Nicky Barnes in Harlem, where you can sell in the streets. Otherwise you need a specific distribution points like Genovese with his midtown nightclubs, or the Pizza connection. You can only do it with supply, and the supply is controlled by Mexicans and Colombians. You brought up these other groups before, and this was the argument I gave you.

You started off in agreement in this thread, now you are reversing. We just established no one moves more coke than Mexicans and Colombian backed Dominicans in the US. But then you say, no the Dominicans aren't dominant NY, even though they are, cause none of these groups you mention have cocaine being shipped through their country. (Jamaica did in the past, Chinese? No. Maybe Cubans, but it can't be easy for them to get coke through Cuba into the US. And their stronghold is Miami, not NY. Aren't you labeled a defector or some shit if you leave?) You are not getting it, a Ki of coke in the Dominican Republic is 10 grand. Unless these groups go to Central America or something, they are NOT GETTING IT THAT CHEAP.


I'm not reversing anything. The Colombians and Mexicans, along with their Dominican wholesalers, certainly move the most drugs in the city but there are other groups who do supply lesser amounts, as well as provide competition at lower distribution levels. You would know this if you'd do more reading instead if just trying to theorize and read the tea leaves in your own. Cuban and Jamaican groups are significant suppliers of marijuana, for example. Asian groups supply marijuana too, as well as ecstasy. Read the 2009 NDTA or some other reports and you'll see Italian groups also facilitate movement of cocaine, marijuana, ecstasy, and heroin through POE's.

As important as Dominicans are, the definition of "dominant" (most important, powerful, or influential) does not accurately describe their position in the NYC drug trade. At least it's an over simplification, as I originally said.

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I just gave you a whole scenario with Sinaloa retailing in Buffalo, as an example of how intense it must be in NY if they set up shop there, not Brooklyn or somewhere. All those groups you mentioned, the ONLY ONE GROUP, that could compete with Mexican prices for coke, ARE DOMINICANS. The Chinese can't beat their prices, nor can any middle eastern group, or Russians, or Albanians, or Puerto Ricans, African Americans, Greeks, no one. And I was the one pointing out how the Calabrians didn't even attempt to move a GRAM of coke in NY, even though they have access to an avalanche of the shit.


Perhaps the difference is you're talking about cocaine alone while I'm talking about the entire drug trade.

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Do you understand geographic distance is a big part of why cocaine cost what it does? The Mexicans would LOVE to supply Australia, it's like a hundred grand for a Ki. Again, the Dominicans been established in NY, they have a larger population there, and they pretty much can match Mexican prices. But the Mexicans have ACCESS TO MORE COCAINE THAN THEM. And more control over the coke they move.


Wait, is that why a kilo of cocaine can sell for $2,000 in Peru, $10,000 in Mexico, and $30,000 on the US side of the border? Gee, thanks for the breaking news Cabrini. whistle

Last edited by IvyLeague; 10/08/16 02:31 PM.

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