Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
The issue is their level of activity and not whether they exist or not. All of us agree that they exist and have around 20 to 30 members. It's just that you seem to be the only one who believes they are barely active and borderline defunct. A view most of us find baffling.


That's because you take the Internet charts you see at face value, believe likely inflated membership totals, and use the "their secretive and intermarried" talking point to explain away everything. I expect some of you guys will use the same reasoning to think Detroit is still going strong 10 or 15 years from now.


At face value? I believe what the feds have been saying. They've already publicly declared several families defunct. It's funny how you believe that and not their take on Detroit. As far as the charts go, I believe they have 22 to 25 active members tops. That's inflated to you? lol. The fact that they are so few is precisely why it's so difficult to build a case against them. It's not an attempt to explain away everything. It's simply a reality that it's a lot more difficult to penetrate a tight knit group of few than a large organization. This is logic.