The issue is their level of activity and not whether they exist or not. All of us agree that they exist and have around 20 to 30 members. It's just that you seem to be the only one who believes they are barely active and borderline defunct. A view most of us find baffling.
That's because you take the Internet charts you see at face value, believe likely inflated membership totals, and use the "their secretive and intermarried" talking point to explain away everything. I expect some of you guys will use the same reasoning to think Detroit is still going strong 10 or 15 years from now.
