Cabrini to answer your question about Scott i think thats what hes trying to do being the gangland "expert" in all families outside of Ny/NJ bc he frequently writes about Philly and New England as well

@ivy the point you're missing about Detroit is that when you look at their history going back to Zerilli and then Tocco they have always been a low key successful family with very few major busts and one made member thats ever cooperated. With that being said if there weren't many busts at all or very few major busts that you would classify as such at a time when the FBI had OC as their main focus nationwide, then now when they have clearly shifted focus to Terrorism that would serve as somewhat of an explanation for why their havent been any busts?

Look i for one respect your knowledge as ive said before, but when you debate with someone that refuses to concede anything it comes off as elitest and ignorant and i dont think that would accurately describe you. I agree that mob prosecutions are a good tell tale indicator of activity of a family, but you have to concede Detroit may very well be an exception for a few reasons 1) they are the most intermarried connected family in the country and that means something .. The feds cant make cases as easily when no one is talking 2) going off that first point, theyve had 1 made guy flip in over a century of mob activity.. That fact has to resonate that maybe just maybe thats why there isnt as many major busts 3) the city of Detroit is a mess and the law enforcement there is rightly focused on the black and latino gangs that have ruined that city not the italians 4) the fbi there is largely concerned with domestic terrorism in that Michigan and one town specifically im blanking on the name has the largest muslim population in the country, and they are heavily monitoring that group for terrorism ( i dont have the washington post article handy but im positive ive read this fact)

I know ive made this argument before , but its insanely frustrating when you are the only one who will not concede anything and acknowledge that maybe they are a strong viable family relative to their history ..no ones saying they're on par with thre Westside...i mean theyve never had more than what 80 made guys? And i dont contend they have that now, but to me 50+ isn't a stretch. Remember id say 95% of the major mob busts that you use as ur bench mark for how families are functioning involved informants and made guys flipping... And Detroit has had 1 ever and i don't think ive read theyve had many associates flip. I mean you have to at least concede that, the feds have alotta trouble making cases when theres no informants and detroit hasnt had any, maybe in the future they will...and again im from Philly i could give a shit about the Detroit mafia im not some fan boy about criminals, but if the purpose of this site is to discuss the mafia, it would behoove you to consider the opposing side and admit the possibilities of others arguments.. Doing so doesnt make you any less of a mob expert, it just makes you seem less like a know it all