They had the first 2 made guys to flip from the nyc 5. Valachi then cafaro in 86. Like someone said they mke young guys. I think it come down to how much clout the capo in the family has. The guy anthony a from springfield did a hit for nigro the guy survived but he liked it and made him 3 months later. Anthony said it was on hos 34th birthday or it was his kids bday. But he was real young fliped 7 yrs later.