I think they got joe talking about this stuff on the phone or when they bugged his car. That's insane to me. When I used to spend time with joe, johnny, or mike cetta they would go nuts if me or anyone spoke I the car. They would blast the music if they spoke in the car ever. When I seen the transcripts of him talking like that in his car to his brother I couldn't believe it. They were always way more disciplined than that. As far as moving against philly, I don't know. I aint gonna lie and say I heard that. I was never told anything specific. But also I got the impression Nicky wasn't considered a street guy as far as violence Ya know? Like he earned big time but wasn't a goon. You gotta remember I was a 19-23 year old kid during the time I was around these guys. there was a lot I wasn't informed of.