I know its a easy answer but history books say demeo and his misfit crew from like 75-81 killed a boatload of people. I mean when you really think about it with john gotti on a wiretap saying them guys are crazy they must have set the crazy bar standard in bk really high. That when carmine persico was at his power height I think or was he in jail. Big Paul had a bad crew when he took over the family.