I think a good example of guys on the shelf would be this guy Anthony Colombo his brother and a few other guys around them. The persico clan didn't forgive them for backing Vic orena back then and I think there's probably bad blood to this day. There was even a conversation between that guy Andy Russo whose a persico and Ralph scopo whose brother was killed and they let it good water under the bridge time to make money but I never read any of Colombo's kids being back in the fold with the rest of the family.