I also respect your objectivity Turnball , everyone must do their own analysis and form their own conclusions although i do feel one can not form an opinion until they review the AARB documents as that was truly the most relevant information ever provided . The Warren Commission IMO was for public consumption but I think it's very important in providing clues , mainly in areas they don't discuss lol

However please take the time to read the below and I'm almost positive your opinion will change , if it doesn't I owe you dinner and drinks anywhere in NYC lol ( no joke ). Regarding the below Chicago assassination plot ( last item ) some Chicago guys might know the police officers involved , I don't but any further info would be great . It's long I know but it's fascinating reading if you love history ( like me) and I only included some of the most obvious documented info established by either recently declassified documents or government witnesses .

A few nuggets on some incredible information not provided in the Warren commission . As I stated above the Hoover memo above regarding someone impersonating Oswald in a telephone call to the Russian Mexico City seeking to contact Russia foreign political assassination expert (Kostikov ) as truly groundbreaking .

LHO Mexican tourist card/ permit was No. 824085 and the person directly in front of him in line ( No 824084 ) was an individual named William Gaudet . William Gaudet was a CIA agent for 20 years . Note for the WC the FBI stated they could not locate the holder of the preceding card , however in 1975 this information was mistakenly declassified and tourist card No 824084 was identified as WIlliam Gaudet.

In November 1961 the CIA deputy director of plans ( Richard Bissel ) directed William Harvey ( headed CIA top secret staff D ) to develop a foreign leader assassination "Executive Action" program called ZR / Rifle and apply it to Cuba . Within these notes Harvey wrote the following " planning should include provisions for blaming the Sovs or Czechs in case of blow , should have phony 201 ( a CIA file on any person "of active operational interest " in CIA central registry to backstop this , all documents forged and backdated . Note LHO fits all of these buckets including the blame at the Russians fitting with the Hoover memo above . Also note Richard Bissell was fired after the bay of pigs failure for misleading the president. William Harvey was demoted from his position as a ranking officer of Operation Mongoose ( CIA anti Castro project ) for deploying an intelligence team of 10 into Cuba during the height of the Cuban missle crises to prepare for a Cuba invasion , this mission was a deliberate breach of orders directly from JFK , and could of lead to a nuclear exchange .

Also recall that the Warren commission said LHO had no connection to the CIA but note the HSCA. On January 27, 1964 in a closed door meeting Allen Dulles ( fired by JFK along with Bissel and Cabel for bay of pigs failure ) stated " no CIA employee , even under oath , should ever say truthfully if Oswald ( or anyone else ) was in fact a CIA agent . This is clear evidence of obstruction of justice on the murder case of JFK ( shocking revelation as Dulles was tasked with solving the murder ). The HSCA was able to question Ann Egerter who worked in the Counterintelligence Special Investigations Group ( CI / SIG) which was charged with " the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected one way or another " and Ann is the CIA employee that opened LHO 201 file in Dec 1960 ( the time period in which LHO defected to Russia ) . Under HSCA questioning Ms Egerter was forced to confirm the following " the purpose of the CI / SIG was very limited and that limited purpose was being to investigate Agency employees who for some reason we're under suspicion " and "when a 201 file is opened does that not mean that whoever opens the file either has an intelligence interest in the individual , or if not an intelligence interest , he thinks that the individual may present a counterintelligence risk ." She essentially confirms for the HSCA that LHO was either a member of the CIA or was being used in an operation involving members of the CIA .

This is critical as it directly refutes the WC conclusion on LHO and the CIA and even more troubling and which eludes to the importance of the WC ( the information they omitted is more important to understanding the assassination then the WC report itself ). The Warren Commission did not mention anywhere the crucial bit of information that in the Marine Corps Oswald had been a radar operator specifically for the CIA top secret U2 spy plane . This was convenient as in defecting Oswald offered to " make known to them all information concerning the marine corps and his specialty as a radar operator ". This assist the WC in preventing questions on whether Oswald was a traitor or more likely a counterintelligence agent for the CIA ( hence the 201 file ).

Note CIA finance officer in Tokoyo, Jim Wilcott in his HSCA deposition that Oswald served the CIA specifically as a double agent on the Soviet Union who there after came under suspicion by the Agency ( likely after returning to the USA from his defection assignment ). In 1978 Jim further stated " it was common knowledge in the Tokoyo CIA station that Oswald worked for the agency " ( common sense when factoring in his secret U2 work and later Russia defection. Wilcott further said " after the president was killed people in the Tokyo station were talking openly about Oswald having gone to Russia for the CIA and everyone was wondering how the agency was going to be able to keep the lid on Oswald , but I guess they did "

Also remember that in 2013 , Antonia Veciana, leader of the Alpha 66 group that was a CIA funded assassination squad of anti Castro Cubans that did raids and assassinations in Cuba confirmed definately seeing David Atlee Phillips ( chief of covert operations at Mexico City station and later Western Hemisphere chief ) meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald in August 1963 in Dallas in the lobby of Hunt Oil office . David Atlee Phillips using the cover name Maurice Bishop was Antonio CIA handler for Alpha 66 and arrived at this meeting early when he saw him speaking with LHO . The HSCA was all over this but could never get Phillips to admit his cover name was Maurice Bishop ( note Phillips on his death bed after repeated questions admitted to his brother he was in Dallas on Nov 22 1963 and was crying when he admitted this , his brother hung up the phone but confirmed this . Also prior to this when Antonio had a sketch the face of Maurice Bishops for the HSCA , Phillips brother confirmed the sketch was his brother .

Another fascinating thing left out of the Warren Commission that on October 9 , 1963 ( one week before LHO was to begin his job at the Texas School Book Depository ) , Marvin Gheeing , an FBI official in DC , disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify LHO as a threat to national security . Marvin was a supervisor in the Soviet espinouge section of FBI HQ, and Marvin timing was impeccable as this FLASH warning was turned off right before it would have gone off . The FLASH warning was given to LHO in Nov 1959, shortly after LHO defected to Russia and provided military secrets and a further " Wanted Notice Card" was sent throughout the Bureau stating that anyone who received info on LHO should notify the Soviet Espinoige section , Division 5. By this FLASH the FBI put a security watch on Oswald that covered all the FBI offices . On October 9, 1963 this FLASH was removed for LHO for no apparent reason and INCREDIBLY this FLASH was also removed only a few hours before the FBI received crucial information on Oswald and silenced the national security alarm that would have sounded due to the LHO imposter call to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City - the imposter trying to reach the KBG foreign political assassination expert in the soviet embassy . THIS IS GROUND BREAKING INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE IN OUR GOVT KNEW SOMETHING as this alarm would have prevented the assassination . Also he would of immediately been placed on the security index for all law enforcement and secret service prior to Dallas ( remember LHO job put him on the motorcade route and remember the person who got him this job Ruth Paine - sister was a confirmed CIA agent - also note Marina Oswald was told by the secret service that Ruth was a CIA operative . This was brilliant strategy by the planners as it was crucial to remove LHO from FLASH security system BEFORE the assassination to position him as a patsy.

This was imperative as the October 10 message from the CIA to the FBI concerning Oswald contacting the Soviet embassy and Kostankov would have been explosive and immediately flagged LHO to LE and prevented the assassination ( remember the embassy was bugged so this impersonation was immediately picked up by the CIA and sent to FBI ) while also providing a written trail connecting Oswald to the Soviets and laying blame to the Soviets that would only come to light AFTER the assassination. The plotters were brilliant !!!

Upon learning this Hoover went crazy as he knew the FBI would be blamed for the assassination from this information ever got out and wrote angerly on a document " SEND THIS GUY TO SIBERIA" . They removed the LHO security warning just before an LHO imposter contacted the Soviets . Possible this was also used to blackmail the FBI in its JFK investigation .

Lastly but certainly not the least is people are unaware that there was an identical plot to kill JFK on his trip to Chicago was spoiled by the Chicago secret service on October 30 ( the same time the Diem brothers were assassinated in Vietnam sponsored by the CIA and Henry Losge ). Ironically and this is amazing is the Chicago office learned off this plot from an anonymous phone call by a person named LEE ( unreal !) . Special agent Maurice Montineau informed the Chicago Secret Service of this plot . Here is a brief overview of the assassination which is amazing how nobody in the media discusses this .

JFK was supposed to attend the Army Air Force game at Soldier field on Nov 2 and the suspects were described as " right wing para military fanatics " (almost identical to the FBI bulletin sent right before the Dallas assassination ) and the assassination would be attempted at one of the Nothwest Rxpressway Rxpressway ( again this came from an informant named Lee). The following day the land lady at a birding house on the North side independently provided information that 4 men were renting rooms from her and she observed seeing 4 rifles with telescopic sights on the men's room and a newspaper with a sketch of the president route . She phoned the FBI immediately . Hoover informed James Rowley ( head of secret service in DC ) that stopping this plot was the SS sole responsibility ( amazing !) and the FBI would do NOTHING to stop the plot ( double amazing ). Martineau set up a 24 hour surveillance of the men's boarding house and passed out to his agents photos of the 4 men . Secret service agent J Lloyd Stocks followed and spotted 2 of the suspects driving and agent Stocks by accident was made and Marineau ordered the men taken into custody which they were , Stocks questioned one of the men and fellow agent Robert Motto questioned the other . The 2 suspects ( amazingly still anonymous to this day ) stonewalled them . At the same time the secret service received new tip information that a Thomas Arthur Vallee had threatened to kill JFK . Agents and Chicago PD followed and arrested Thomas Arthur Vallee where he was jailed and questioned before JFK was to arrive on Nov 2. Information began coming in about Vallee that is identical to LHO ( SCARY !). After the JFK Dallas hit , NBC learned about the Vallee arrest and Chicago plot , NBC Chicago employee thru his father ( NYPD officer ) ran Vallee 1962 Ford Falcon NY license plate ( 31-10RF) and it came back "Frozen" and "only the FBI could obtain this information " and the registration for the car was " classified - restricted to US intelligence agencies ". The attesting police officers Peter Schurla in 1975 when a reporter tried to further investigate this plot was a high level intelligence official at Chicago police HQ. His companion Daniel Groth commanded the police team that killed black panther leader Fred Hampton and Mark Clark and when the canaries received $1.85M in a wrongful death suit , acknowledged under oath his team carried out the assault and murder at the specific request of the FBI. Growth also received special counterintelligence training under the FBI and CIA and investigated the Fair Play for Cuba Commitee ( LHO was a New Orleans member). Both were likely shadowing Vallee as opposed to looking to arrest him , similiar to officer Tipp in Dallas and LHO

Back to Thomas Vallee, he was an ex marine that received full disability for mental reasons , was a disaffiliated member of the John birch society and absolutely amazingly was assigned to the Marines to a U2 base in Japan Camp Otsu (the same freaking base as LHO !) and like LHO participated in CIA training of anti Castro Cubans at a camp in Levittown Long Island and just as LHO got the job above the motorcade right before the JFK hit , Vallee got a job on a warehouse right over JFK motorcade route in Chicago . What saved Vallee was LT Berkely Moyland who told his son the story of detaining Vallee ( the Treasury dept forbidden him from telling the story but on his death bed he told his son .

JFK trip was cancelled at the last minute due to the assassination warning from Chicago SS.

The 2 arrested snipers were Cubans (identities never released ) but were inexplicably released , Marrineau was told to put nothing on paper and after the Dallas assassination when Chicago secret service agent Atthur Bolden was shut down by Rowley when agents connected the Dallas and Chicago plot and when Bolden tried to contact WC GC Lee Rankin he was arrested and put in jail for no reason and when he tried to contact Jim Garrison in 1967 he was put in solitary confinement .

When the AARB learned of the Chicago plot and asked the SS for all documents in 1995 the secret service destroyed all documents and broke the law ( was a big uproar and still is ). The story is even longer but that's the gist of it

Last edited by DB; 12/04/15 11:56 PM.