Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
You consider hiring a thug to break someone's legs a major bust?

Even Sarno was busted for burglaries, basically, if I remember correctly.

Family Secrets was like 90 percent from pre-80s.

This kind of stuff has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of rackateering they used to get caught for.

There has been nothing even remotely of the scale of PENDORF/STRAWMAN or even GAMBAT and there never will be.





I suppose "significant " is relative. For example the 2006 bookmaking bust in Detroit was significant for that family considering there aren't many cases there these days. Something like that in NY would be rather unremarkable.

The Sarno bust was significant because he was acting boss of the Outfit at the time. Fencing stolen goods was part of it but the main charges centered around video poker machines. That was also among the present day charges in the Family Secrets case. Most of the stuff that went back years were the murders.

The difference between the Outfit decades ago and today is certainly obvious. But there is still plenty of activity to show the family is still there.


I think the action suggests massive fracturing and likely a bunch of individuals working very loosely in what amounts to a post-Outfit capacity.

Consider that all of the old people -- Andriacchi etc. -- do not care about the state of the Outfit. What they care about is not going to jail. I tend to think they have been distancing themselves for as long as their wealth, status and legitimate interests have allowed.

The Grand Ave. stuff is pretty weak.

Cicero would appear to be the only really active crew, and it would appear they have really down scaled.

It seems they are basically engaging in a variety of low key illegal street-level activities that has thus far allowed them to slide under the radar.

But there is not much evidence that they have the kind of influence or scale that were hallmarks of the Outfit from inception until roughly 2000.

Just my observation. I could be wrong, just as we could all be wrong.