Ivy (and I apologize in advance to the moderators for this) - I have always respected your research and your statements. And i still do. But intransigent stubbornness is about as valuable as "Mayor" Bill de Blasio (I know that will not resonate with Utah Brigham, but it's for the New Yorkers on the thread). I understand your reticence to believe anything other than what Agents Levy and Bongorno say, but realize that the people you are writing about are not stagnant robots born out of a hat in upstate New York. We are discussing human beings and mechanical interpretations of life as a flatline until indictments say otherwise is immature and short-sighted.

My point: Why not engage in discussions defined by the thread topic instead of repeatedly insinuating that these threads are a waste of time because 6 years ago..Smith was boss, Young was Underboss and Jeffs was Consigliere. Do you get my point?