PHL- no worries pal thanks for the detailed response. I didnt think Charlie White was that old but being in hid 80s id def agree w u hes pry retired...his kid Vince seems to be a pretty low key smooth operator..is that Accardo guy made? Ive read conflicting posts on here so idk if u know for sure..and just outta my own curiosity u think the philly fams construction rackets are limited to the city or they made it out my way in Bucks county? Nothin specific jw