I dont think the things I was talking about were irrelevant; You are citing stuff youve read, IM TALKING ABOUT A GUY I KNOW, AND THIS IS ONE GUY. Example, this guy one day comes into my work saying hey you want a bottle of Tequila? Im going to be importing it, its going to be top shelf in all the hottest bars in the City. Now he says this with complete confidence like he KNOWS it will be a success, I dont know if its clout with the bartenders union or what you understand? My point is you will NEVER HEAR ABOUT THIS GUY. HE HAS A COUSIN WHO WAS IN THE OUTLAWS,ON PAROLE, GETS DUIS, NOTHING HAPPENS; THE GUYS I MENTIONED, HAS HAD LIKE 2 OR 3 HUGE GROW OP BUST, GUN CHARGES, HE KINDA CRYPTICALLY SAID HE JUST MAKES A PAYOFF AND IT GOES AWAY. Again, this is just one guy I know, I dont know jack about the OUTFIT as we know it, but just off this one guy, its naive to treat chicago like its the sticks...
A guy you know? Well why didn't you say so? Stop the press, everyone. CabriniGreen "knows a guy." This really is a monumental day. Cause I've never encountered anyone on these forums who claimed they "knew a guy" and expected everybody else to just take their anecdotal info as gospel.
Sorry, I'll stick with credible info from the feds and known OC experts.
Also the Rizzuto thing holds water; They, the Bonnanos, mistakenly believed them to be a "crew", when they were a family of probably greater strength. Shit, rumor has it Vito made a Spanish guy lol. Also, u got the COLOMBO AND BONNANOS AT 100 MADE GUYS, SO THEY ARE EQUAL WITH THE LUCHESSES NOW? Since when?
And the outfit, really had the politics thing sewn up, I think this more than anything people dont get, like the outfit was Much more powerful politicaly than you guys realize it seems, they did really own the city. Like even today there is a restaraunt, Park Grill in millineum park, they get free everything, power, water, trash, and it all links to companies with connections to Frank Roti, who in the 80s was an Outfit Made Guy on the Fuckin City Council, lol!
Im saying, this is one story that happened to get press, you wont hear about a lot of this insider shit...
The Rizzutos were a crew of the Bonanno family before they started breaking away.
I don't have the Bonannos and Colombos at around 100 made guys. The feds do. Which makes them similar in size to the Luccheses. Though the Luccheses are in better shape but certainly not by light years or anything.
Although there is a Frank Roti, you are obviously talking about FRED Roti? At least get his name right before you go on some big rant about the power of the modern day Outfit (basing it on a guy who's been dead over 15 years now)
Also guys, if you hear about made guys, in 2015 still fuckin making book on the corner, and not with some fuckin internet connection being run from Costa Rica somewhere, then they are doing something wrong; If they are still making juice loans, but not semi-legit like payday loans or pawn shops or something like not collateralized, they are bullshitting. What you consider, decay I consider progression. Like if you are looking for Outfit guys, I would stop looking on the corners, and look at coporate charters; These guys are not street guys anymore, more like mini Angelo Pontes; Look at the companies supplying liquor, linens, look at the trucking; Look at any city or state projects, see what companies get the bids then cross reference;Big companies like airports, conventions like McCormick,basically anything connected to the city or state is going to be clouded with clout...
Do you have any examples of these or are you just blowing smoke? Virtually all mob bookies operate via the internet and offshore nowadays. It's the standard MO. Yes, we've seen examples of mob-connected companies getting contracts in Chicago in recent times. Doesn't change the fact that the inner core of made guys is decreasing pretty quick.
chicago has been structured northside, westside, and southside since the 1940s
you don't know their current membership numbers from fbi quotes from 2005-2007
In the sense that those were the three geographic areas around downtown Chicag, yes. Obviously there couldn't be an Eastside (they would have needed some scuba gear at least). But while there were once 7 or 8 crews, now there are 4. There were never 3 crews as you seem to be insinuating.
And 2005-2007 figures from the feds are better info than anything you or your fellow Outfit fanboys on the net are going to come up with.
