Serp the only one I think knows what went on is maybe Scarfo Jr and Merlino Jr. because there fathers did and they might have trusted there sons enough to tell them. No way did Scarfo discuss serious business with his crew he had out on street robbing,killing, and shaking down. Even Leonetti was more like a bodyguard then a underboss and someone may have said that there was meetings he came out of in new york where he didnt tell Phil what was said. My quess is new york was behind it not some other crew in philly but who knows.