Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'll preface this by reiterating that I was a moderate Democrat for thirty years before the party went completely off its nut. The party that my Italian immigrant grandparents embraced as their Savior is dead and gone.

Re the tired old line about Republicans hating women. It reminds me of the Far Left that's forever jumping on the Catholic Church for its treatment of women. Like Mary---A WOMAN---isn't the most important figure in our faith, save for The Holy Trinity rolleyes.

It's smoke and mirrors, and bullshit on top of bullshit. In other words, it's politics as usual.


See, I just don't know where you get this from. The democratic party in America is centre-left compared to ANY comparable western government. There are very few democrats in America that propose raising taxes and social spending to the point of left-wing parties in Australia or Europe. Liberalism in Scandinavia would be called socialist or even communist by most American standards. But in the EU its standard fare. The GOP on the other hand is further right than any its contemporaries in the rest of the world. For example, in Britain UKIP is considered far right extremist because they want to slow down and halt immigration...whereas in the GOP thats very run of the mill even for moderates.

If the international stuff is putting you to sleep, let me put it this way: a few years ago Romney proposed a plan similar to Obamacare, 10 years ago Bush supported immigration reform, 30 years ago Reagan supported the Brady Bill, and all the way back in the 60's Nixon formed the EPA. Very few Republicans will take similar stances in this day and age.

The only change in the democratic party is its now more bought-and-paid-for than ever. And lets be honest, they all are.