No probs Camarel, you make good points and seem like an honest Scotsman!

But, if you went to Vegas in the hope of winning a million based on the faith that "they" tell you you can and millions of others have, is that naive or sensible? I compare that to any other faith. I dare you to bet your mortgage on the second coming or whatever else in the bible...obviously not...

The weakness with religion is that we, people who dont believe, can focus on the minority for an easy hit, catholic priests shagging kids, silly bible stuff, isis etc just as people who do beleive, gays, sinners etc. But, the easy arguement against religion is that theres no substance really, its sand through your fingers-thats what pisses me off, These people have so much power with NOTHING at all to back it up, just historical shite, which goes back to the Hitchens quote...

Miracles, you dont have time??? Well everyone else apparently beleives in them! (Sorry if that sounds a bit arsy, not meaning to mate!)