Ivy I have nothing against you.I think the vast majority of us agree that Philly is larger and more active. I am just curious as to where you got the info about the 05 and 2011 ceremonies. I know 07 is from the scoops tapes.
The ceremony dates are a real confusion but all of them have been identified as soldiers by the FBI and people like Anastasia so it's just a guessing game until one of the soldiers flips.
I don't believe for one minute that Staino was made in 05, more likely 2000/2001. As for the 2011 ceremony, it definitely took place and Dom Grande was made along with Sonny Mazzone, maybe a few others.
