Sorry about the '02/'04 thing.
I have dyslexia. It's a mother.

Yes, I/he said he got them rolling. What I meant by him not being a part of them was that he was not in any of the families. He was proposed by two but he had a problem with authority thanks to an abusive father. So he with these crews, not in them. Sorry, is there a term for someone like that (all I can think of is Lone Wolf, or associate)