Yea they really told that to Red Shea too, come on buddy your shit is all fucked, if they had any inclination about Whitey ratting them out he would have been dead just like any other rat that they knew of and was still running the streets. Your giving common knowledge and the semi streets stories you heard second hand. You always say you didnt know shit about the Winter Hill Gang except Joe Mac, so you must have been doing some reading to see what you could gather about Winter Hill. Your fucking crazy if you think Jimmy Flemmi was a made guy, he was a sadistic kill crazy heroin addict, he never even got offered to get made. Only guys who worked for the Hill that got asked to be made was Stevie, Cadillac and Jimmy Martorano. Jonny didnt get asked to be made, he made it clear from the beginning he was Winter Hill to the bone. And half the killings during the gang war were done by the North End, they killed 4 guys cause they knew the feds would chalk it up as victims of the gang war. And i will ask those fellas you mentioned if whitey diddled little boys and girls, but dont you think if they knew he was a pedophile they would kill him as quick as they could. Cause your saying everyone knew, you really think they would work for bulger if they knew that about him. And connected guys cant kill without permission from the Italians, well Winter Hill killed whoever they pleased and never had to get permission cause they were their own gang. And what do you think gangsters do, they take shit over and run rackets, both the Italians and Winter Hill. Your just fucking reaching with your comments. And Barboza did hits for the North End, he wasnt just a hit man for the Italians, he would have sided with Buddy and the Hill on any matter and would have done anything Buddy asked him to. Martorano never got paid for hits, he did them because he felt he was protecting his gang and friends. Some of your information is fucking horse shit brother.