Originally Posted By: olivant
Your post is a mix and match. As I posted above, when the Palestinians rid themselves of terrorists groups, then the Israelis can begin seriously discussing Palestinian integration into a middle east state. Israel is a Jewish state and El Fatah does not speak for the arab world which has consistently since 1948 sought to destroy Israel. Currently, palestinians do not have the gravitas to preclude any palestinian state from becoming a staging area for terrorism against Israel. Hamas was elected in the Gaza strip, but within the Fatah sphere of government which Hamas has refused to recognize.


Actually when Hamas was elected Fatah tried to overthrow it and lost. Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (Fatah) have now just recently formed a unity government. One of Israel's responses was to imprison/kill Hamas elected officials.

As I've written before Israel has increased the number of settlements during the so-called peace process to the point where it is laughable to talk about a two-state solution. They have done this despite the PA acceding to virtually every Israeli demand. There is, absent massive pressure, no longer room for a two-state solution.

You write as if the Palestinians are destroying Israeli homes, forcing the Israelis into ever smaller refugee areas or using live rounds against protesters. This is not the case. The occupation and creeping annexation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza are criminal actions.

Israel doesn't get to pick the leaders of the Palestinians any more than the French got to decide who led the Algerians or the Americans chose those of the Lakota Sioux. From a Palestinian perspective one could just as easily say that we refuse to negotiate with an Israeli government that includes groups like Shas or Yisrael Beitenu.

The only solution long term is a unitary state with equal rights for all. If South Africa can accomplish it, Israel certainly can.


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