Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Originally Posted By: Longshoreman
Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Originally Posted By: sbhc
Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.

I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life


Not a Gotti fan, however for him to be that close to Dellacroce there has to be a body somewhere, those guys were no BS holes in the ground all over the city types. And to say well Gotti "made money for the family and got a pass on clipping someone" I wasn't his accountant and I wouldn't have first hand knowledge, I will say Gotti was at best a thug more than a moneymaker. And Dellacroce was a tough guy first, not to say money wasn't important to him, however if you were to be around him you you had to be 100% LCN which at that time said you had to have a corpse somewhere. Was a different time then, murders in the city then were done based upon the person not the crime. Now they have a DNA kit out for every junkie dying with a spike in their arm. Back then most they would have done was put you in a garbage bag and sent you to the cooler till someone if anyone claimed you. And all the names everyone mentioned are retread names, there's hundreds if not thousands of guys around that life back then that disappeared that you never heard of. "Goes with the territory" now every scumbags wife gets a special on the Discovery channel about how great a husband she had, what a good father he was when he wasn't pushing H, scamming or robbing.

Again i was just speculating but im getting information from past associates and fbi agents who said gotti was a murderer but he wasnt really a triggerman. he was a capo for a long time so he really didnt need to pull teh trigger


Not pull in the trigger as a skipper I get, so there telling you when he was a soldier he didn't kill anyone?