I'm not throwing bouquets at anyone but you speak of people as if you knew them. Guys are reading shit from papers or 502's, DD5's and making as if they seen these guys on the street. The whole Judith Shemtov incident was a circus act. There was no organization there it was 2 junkies trying to score money to get high. This seems to be a popular site speaking on OC stuff 1st rule is don't write checks you can't cash. And don't talk about people or matters that you know nothing about. PS my post was directed to eastharlemital because I know the guy he is referring to he clearly never met and should refer to rule 1& 2