So who is older baby shacks from r.I. or john no nose cause I'm just saying even thou baby shacks step down as boss he still had his 2 or more strip clubs giving him 3 k a piece. He never had a legit job or company but if you read his files he was hiding out in chitown in the 70tys threw one of carlisi guys. Its in that stuff always posted but I accessed to many times. I believe there was never a meeting since the bosses in NYC since 2k Colombia made a rebound till tommy shots old crew of cop killers flipped in 2008 well after Massimo was espoused as a rat. Tommy shots probably had the baddest crew in NYC I'm sure everyone knew about there kills plus there persico connection.