Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Mafia is criminal enterprise.......emphasis on enterprise.

Pure capitalists with no pretensions of morality.

On paper, the modern day Republican party is against government regulation of businesses, correct?


I didn't think that anyone could refute that the mafia (leaders) would favor platform and party that stands for industry and the market policing/regulating itself.




Now that I think of it, you didn't refute or challenge what I wrote.
Illegal business and money laundering into "legit businesses" stands to operate better under the "pro business..anti-regulation" platform.


If you can dispute that, I'd like to read it.






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Independent, by the way.


Sorry for jumping into the conversation late. I'm an independent too, but there's a wide range among us. Anyway, I have to dispute what you wrote about the Republicans wanting "no government regulation of business." That's closer to a libertarian position, but even the libertarians would have some regulation, such as regulation against fraud. The Republicans are not against ALL regulation, but are against OPPRESSIVE regulation and OVER REGULATION. So what you wrote was not only an exaggeration, but a straw man fallacy. It's a false caricature of what they believe. I'd like to know the source for this bogus claim that they want no regulation of any kind at all. Less regulation is not the same as zero regulation.

On the Mafia being capitalist, I would disagree with that too. How is the Mafia in any sense free market? Lying, deception, fraud, cheating, threatening, bullying, robbing and murdering are not capitalist. Having a criminal street tax is free market? Aren't Republicans known for wanting to lower taxes? This in itself contradicts your claim.

Admittingly, I have seen libertarian defenses of loan sharking. I could see a legal basis for a version of high interest loans without the violence. They do serve a purpose and normally people freely take the loans knowing the risk. Pay-Day Loans are a type of high interest loan that is legal and doesn't use violence when debts are not paid. However, criminal violence is never capitalist or free market.

In a free market there have to be a rational and moral set of rules that people/the market follows. Theft is an example of breaking this set of rules, whether it's an owner shorting her employees or an employee stealing property. Some have called Socialism theft since it involves the government confiscating the earnings (in an excessive way) of a worker in a way that is not morally justified. For the government to force a business to pay a lazy unproductive employee the same as hard-working one is not only unfair, it is coercive and it devalues the labor being done. Soon the hard-working employee will realize that it does not pay to be productive, so overall production decreases as incentive is taken away. Likewise, when the Mafia takes over a business the incentive of the coerced owner decreases and the company will collapse.

Again, I have to wonder where these straw men are coming from. If you want to know what a political party really believes, read its platform. For economics, I suggest starting with The Fortune Encyclopedia of Economics.