Barrett, i dont think its outta pocket to say theres cross family business going on. I heard jack tocco and john difronzo are very close friends.with them being so close, i cant see them not having any business ventures together. I would also say i think the older new york guys definitely work with chicago and detroit cause those 2 cities are so low key.im sure everyone on here can agree that ny lacks a low key profile.and im not trying to get a chicago vs new york or chicago/detroit vs ny thread going on here. Yes, ny has much more mob activity. But i think theres way to much money to be made for different families not to work together. That being said, i believe my source that the '04 commission meeting existed