Originally Posted By: ChiSox74
Well, you're ignoring the mathematical trend.

In 2005 there were 25 made guys. In 2007 there were 30. That's 5 new made guys in 2 years, or 2.5 per year.

So, if you follow the math, from 2005 to 2014 there were 9 years with 2.5 new made guys per year. That comes to 22.5 made guys.

Add 22.5 to the original number of 25 in 2005 and it comes to 47.5 made guys in 2014.

So there are 47.5 made guys in the Chicago Outfit


If this were tongue in cheek it would be pretty amusing. Unfortunately, I think you're actually being serious.

Those figures are not a "trend." The 25 and 30 figures are obviously close estimates from the FBI. The 28 figure is obviously a more specific head count. So they are all within a very close range. And, as I've said before, if you look at the estimates 15 to 20 years ago and subtract those members who have died since then, it falls right within that 25-30 member range.

Seriously, some of the mathematical gymnastics you guys come up with in order to inflate the numbers to your liking make reason stare.

Originally Posted By: Mmalioni
We have gone over this a million times.

It is likely that full time active Outfit membership is 25-35 made men. If you include full time associates, it is probably in the 35-50 range.

If you include more "part time" or "somewhat" deactivated Outfit associates that are either made or not made, it is probably 50-75.


The FBI estimates that Chicago now only has 25 "made" members and another 75 organized crime associates.

Robert D. Grant, special agent in charge of the FBI's Chicago office, said the city is still plagued by 28 "made guys" and more than 100 associates who do the dirty work but are in the mob's inner circle.

Mallul estimates the Outfit has about 30 "made" members and a little more than 100 associates.

Last edited by IvyLeague; 02/27/14 02:38 PM.

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